07:05:48 From charles blass : collective nexes 07:08:41 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Domeschooling! love it 07:08:49 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : a geodesic education 07:08:58 From charles blass : +3 07:09:01 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Kevin’s coming memoir field guide 07:09:07 From Judith Benham : Other possible domains: 1. Science/Fact Advocacy, 2. Social alignment for change. 07:09:08 From Kevin Jones : we are doing unwalled tent schooling with four kids on our farm. 07:11:19 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Eric Hoffman 07:11:39 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : ah, Hoffer 07:11:40 From scottmoehring : “Someone who thinks the world is always cheating them is right. They are missing that wonderful feeling of trust in someone or something.” - Eric Hoffer 07:11:59 From charles blass : contact cb@cicolab.org for cicolab.org updates and session invites newsletter 07:12:26 From Kevin Jones : the learned find themselves faced with a world that no longer exists. 07:13:10 From Neil Davidson : Actor-memorizers vs Transformative-thinkers 07:13:50 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : hypervigilance around fires 07:13:58 From charles blass : cicolab flow show next three mondays starting noon pacific with checkins and hashbins/ bizflow at 1pm pacific / storyflow in the story room at 2pm pacific - zoom link is https://zoom.us/j/5448971989 07:14:42 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Latour’s Down to Earth: https://bra.in/9jXbJ2 07:15:02 From Neil Davidson : ... more relevant divisions (than political) to fight over (Doug) 07:15:38 From scottmoehring : "In times of change, learners inherit the earth while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists." - Eric Hoffer 07:17:35 From Neil Davidson : Listens to the ideas (in flow) - goes into an automatic supercut, in flow 07:19:57 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : or the Flo and Eddie Show... 07:22:13 From charles blass : Flo & Eddie <3 07:23:14 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Mark: finance is talking more about climate change, but about risk management, not causes 07:23:14 From charles blass : F&E with david bowie https://youtu.be/iS1pixsC_i4 07:23:18 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : yeeps 07:23:34 From Judith Benham : l concur re the flow, too. But could do “flow” on a specific topic. and, could also map/post the outgrowths of a topic…more dendrites!! 07:23:38 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Charles: flow is in the eyes of the beholder 07:23:56 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : Mark, isn’t that calling to the new need for a refiguring of risk? 07:24:03 From Neil Davidson : +1 Judi 07:24:11 From charles blass : my statement = “Sensemaking is in the Flow of the Beholder” 07:24:46 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : mapping flow on topics +1 Judi 07:25:00 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : ah, thanks, Charles :) 07:25:24 From scottmoehring : So, economists need a model of “the long tail”? Trying to paraphrase to understand. 07:25:45 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Ken: the Anthropocene was quick; we’re now in the Pyrocene 07:26:00 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : economists need to measure the multiple vectors outside their silos that will change their silos 07:27:56 From Pete Kaminski, on Kumeyaay land : "if you're in the present moment, you're not missing anything' 07:28:14 From charles blass : Ken: “FlowLab” perfect !! thx for that 07:28:26 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Judy: everything I start doing has at least five dendrites that lead everywhere 07:29:17 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : @Charles My pleasure! Honestly I really wasn’t aware that I said it! (That’s how may flow works) 07:30:15 From Pete Kaminski, on Kumeyaay land : "complexity ... many viewpoints ... creativity" 07:30:16 From scottmoehring : We live in stories. I think if we can show people how their roles of “hero of their own story” can align with an alternative, non-dystopian, non-utopian vision of a truly collaborative future. 07:30:28 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : +1 07:30:36 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : neurons that fire together, wire together :) 07:30:38 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : Nice Scott! 07:31:01 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : dendrites: short branching extension of a nerve cell. 07:31:20 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : post hero stories. 07:31:20 From charles blass : neil re: Neural Flow, Dendrite Flow 07:31:34 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Neuroplasticity: https://bra.in/8pxJE6 07:31:37 From Pete Kaminski, on Kumeyaay land : dendritic: having a branched form resembling a tree 07:31:52 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Neil: Bauwens, visualizing P2P Wiki, Miro 07:32:04 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : Neuroplasticity is individual level - we need socioplasticity too! 07:32:39 From charles blass : +777 07:33:00 From charles blass : aka “Interoperability Flow” 07:33:14 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : The Red Thread (5 steps): https://bra.in/3j45ng 07:33:15 From charles blass : Fuzzy Logic Flow 07:33:36 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : love socioplasticity 07:34:14 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : Culturalplasticity? 07:35:01 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : bridge OGM to P2PF 07:35:19 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : banyan trees linked to cosmology 07:35:23 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : mycelia 07:35:42 From Jay Golden : Mythology <—> Micrology 07:37:07 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : Mythobiology 07:39:26 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : ask speakers to bring their message in a format they are not used to 07:39:58 From Jay Golden : I like that - how to represent what we see when you say it 07:40:03 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : BANI 07:40:16 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : https://bra.in/2p6ZGQ 07:40:24 From Anthony : input/output flow maps directly to causalities on a CLD 07:40:28 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : Jerry - remind us of what BANI stands for pls 07:40:39 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : Ah - thanks! 07:40:41 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : BANI (Brittle Anxious Nonlinear Incomprehensible), from Jamais Cascio 07:40:44 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : whats a cld? Anthony? 07:40:46 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : yes, the link 07:42:39 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : locusts 07:43:28 From Neil Davidson : Britain grain crop down by 30% due to drought. Belgium and Europe also suffering water shortages 07:44:30 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Klaus: joint strategies for food security 07:44:33 From Klaus Mager : https://www.facebook.com/organicconsumers/videos/691328118126825 07:45:07 From scottmoehring : QUESTION: Have our planning time horizons gotten shorter and shorter in the past 20 years? Personally, corporately, politically. As change accelerates, planning further out becomes more difficult, but also feels risky. You could be not only a little wrong, but completely wrong. 07:45:45 From scottmoehring : How can we help others think past the next quarter? 07:45:46 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : SIGGRAPH! 07:48:13 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : ah thanks. 07:48:42 From scottmoehring : +1 Not consumers, but beneficiaries (and contributors) 07:48:51 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : also participants 07:50:57 From scottmoehring : Love this attempt to chunk what we’ve done and could do. I’m curious what Doug thinks is missing from this model sketch. 07:53:43 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : projects pour through 07:54:18 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : purchasing coops are one of the easiest way to cross domains; coordination is minimal, cuts costs of operation today 07:56:07 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : sense making tools for people who make sense in non linear ways listening to stories and people who like grids and bullet points 07:57:21 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : This is an excellent summary of a book on how biology works 07:59:40 From scottmoehring : Does this describe a thought process of future OGMer? “I feel hopeless > I see an alternative > I feel hope > I want to participate > I know how to participate > I see progress > I want to share with others.” 07:59:41 From Hank Nelson : I can share it 07:59:58 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : tx hank 08:01:21 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : that new bestseller: Who Moved My Mute Button? 08:01:36 From Klaus Mager : http://www.kelvybird.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/M4_Scribing_01TheoryU.jpg 08:02:01 From Matt Saiia : she is a friend of mine 08:02:15 From scottmoehring : +1 people can respond to an artifact 08:02:15 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : an acquaintance of mine :) 08:02:22 From Matt Saiia : hierarchy of consciences 08:02:25 From Anthony : Regarding interdisciplinary integration: Entities (like Food, Economics et) to not tie together. A heriarchy of Activities (that use the entities as inputs) does. 08:03:07 From charles blass : neil - ‘mutually assisted community’... method for governance of unlike 08:03:09 From charles blass : minds 08:03:12 From Matt Saiia : governance of unlike minds 08:03:40 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : What is we have “unlike minds” but “like hearts and like bodies?” 08:05:25 From Julian Gomez : Digging this talk about interdisciplinary activity, but need to head over to SIGGRAPH. Will catch up with the recording. 08:05:42 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : +1 Neil - going back to Eric Hoffer’s quote from earlier - what are we educating our children for in this time of home/dome schooling as the world burns? Is STEM going to be sufficient to equipping our children to survive and thrive in the Pryocene? 08:05:48 From Hank Nelson : Same gotta drop. Great convo. Will revisit 08:05:57 From Judith Benham : Part of creativity is the need to co-mingle convergent & divergent thinking. William Miller on creativity, Aspects/types of creativity. 08:06:09 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Klaus, then Julian 08:06:18 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : then Kevin 08:06:19 From Hank Nelson : Tx for sharing the disciplines etc. matt 08:06:38 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : Thnx Hank! 08:07:07 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Leading from the Emerging Future 08:07:47 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : backcasting 08:07:48 From Pete Kaminski, on Kumeyaay land : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray%E2%80%93Darling_basin 08:07:49 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : future histories 08:08:14 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Ackoff had a process called Idealized Redesign 08:08:15 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : What if what is needed is a timeline of aiming for the flourishing of all life for millions of years to come? 08:09:04 From Anthony : Idealized vision of the future. Negotiate the As-Is. The To-Be naturally falls out. 08:09:05 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : I am a bit contrarian on the whole backcasting model - for example how many people in 2015 saw themselves trying to survive a pandemic? 08:09:36 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Builders 08:10:16 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : as people show up, they find their way to where they can add their energy 08:10:44 From Judith Benham : We need the ability to contemplate the and actuate the non-linearity of multiple future states. Can’t include the unanticipated.changes. 08:10:50 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Matt then Charles 08:11:10 From scottmoehring : Vision of Food Production combined with People & Habitats (I can’t recall Doug’s statement on this, about food production images not including people). 08:11:41 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Matt: make sure our conversations don’t get lost 08:12:21 From scottmoehring : I worry that the public is focused on things that don’t matter if the substructure of food and shelter falls apart. 08:12:48 From Jay Golden : In my research on future stories, so much of the story is about technological development. But I’ve found one big thing largely missing: Relationships. We look around and see all of the chasms between people, parties, race, human to nature…a lot of what I find is missing is the evolution of relationships. 08:13:11 From Anthony : REf Matt: We need a logical, natural way to partition the efforts. 08:13:31 From Judith Benham : +5 Jay 08:13:59 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : @Jay - agreed! 08:14:44 From Neil Davidson : Mass/ velocity/ inertia... you also need direction... YEP... and entrepreneurial projects cast a pebble in front that becomes a strange attractor... that, potentially, attracts sufficient people to make the old model obsolete... (after Bucky) 08:16:37 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : tend and befriend. 08:16:53 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Mark, Charles, Judy 08:17:38 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : If Only We Knew What We Know: The Transfer of Internal Knowledge and Best Practice https://bra.in/6qzMEb Carla O’Dell 08:19:51 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : food system shock 08:20:04 From scottmoehring : Coming from a master decision-delayer, waiting for a perfect vision before starting is a common place to hide. The vision at any future point in time will almost certainly be different from what was originally described. Sketch out a vision, roughly, pick the most important things right now, then start walking towards them. 08:20:32 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : Some interesting tips here for talking to those “other-minded” people AKA Those People!: https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/15/1004950/how-to-talk-to-conspiracy-theorists-and-still-be-kind/ 08:22:49 From Jay Golden : @mark can you share the link to narrative within the climate web? 08:23:27 From Mark Trexler : @jay - you referring to the premortem spot? 08:23:38 From Mark Trexler : or the 17 climate narratives 08:25:00 From Anthony : A map of activities drives all other maps 08:25:49 From Matt Saiia : CN is also and incubator 08:26:24 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Judy: need action vectors 08:26:58 From Matt Saiia : =+5 08:27:47 From Matt Saiia : what if we start next weeks call there? 08:28:46 From charles blass : +1 judy... “actionization” 08:30:09 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : slaves were also capital; they were a leveragable asset; you could borrow against them. 08:30:44 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Ziba/lockdown, slavery, change = domain 08:33:06 From Matt Saiia : please send me that slide 08:33:37 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : modeling behavior 08:34:12 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : taking people by the hand 08:34:21 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : simple goals 08:35:07 From Matt Saiia : system health intervention 08:35:24 From scottmoehring : We need to help people understand that simple answers do not address the complexity, but that doesn’t mean they can’t participate. They just need to pick (or be guided to) the right level and area. 08:35:32 From Matt Saiia : guilds can work across any domains 08:35:44 From scottmoehring : Too many want to have a simple answer. 08:35:50 From Matt Saiia : projects all live within and between domains 08:37:05 From Matt Saiia : the role of trusted guides - shamans 08:37:19 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : in fifth century bc greece and in 12th century high gothic france the world made sense to the stone mason and to the philosophers and theolgians. 08:37:48 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Judy, Matt, Charles 08:37:48 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : they were making cathedrals to create a space to be close to god and they were creating a common vision of being citizens. 08:38:00 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : when ashoka was king in india it was the same. 08:38:08 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Klaus: Drucker says systems sub-optimize 08:38:13 From charles blass : hand up - update on tom atlee new pattern language project relevant to the thread 08:38:21 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : partly they get captured 08:40:41 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : craft 08:40:50 From charles blass : matt - re systems intervention 08:40:53 From Neil Davidson : Poem to close? 08:41:13 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : jack park has done a lot with guilds 08:41:15 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Judy, Charles, poem :) 08:41:20 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : Guilds are skills that can be applied across domains 08:42:44 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : instead of checkins we could put on a hat with one word in the brim. 08:43:05 From Matt Saiia : facilitation is to make it easy for system to become harmonious 08:43:06 From charles blass : gather action points that are possible inflections, in experiential learning model - judy 08:43:13 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : or three words 08:43:17 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : in your hat. 08:44:36 From Ken Homer–Miwok/Ohlone lands : Michael Dowd - Thank God for Evolution 08:45:11 From Kevin Jones, second white family on Eastern Band Cherokee land : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dowd 08:45:58 From scottmoehring : Understanding that idea (reconciling religion and science) changed my life a year ago. Collected wisdom. 08:46:05 From Matt Saiia : the bells are tolling for us. 08:46:11 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : post-doom 08:46:15 From Jerry on Multnomah lands : Jem Bendell is there