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Logseq et seq.

Designing the System Tools
#21

@anderbill Logseq seems to add a journal entry for each day someone visits the site.

That said, it seems to me our experiment with Logseq was set aside before we got anywhere near a “critical mass” of users to be having daily updates!

Do we need to escalate the issue to a “meta-level”?

(Cf. Meta-discussions for context.)

What this might mean is that instead of trying to get everyone to use Logseq, we instead try to create some software that pulls together data from various “second brain” apps? Granted, that’s a bit more of a technical project, but in principle it would allow people to use whatever tools they are most comfortable with (as long as there’s an open data export that they are willing to share).

I’m a bit concerned that it’s relatively easy to make diagrams like the one from @saiiam at What is OGM? (suggested post)
and somewhat harder to operationalise them!

Indeed, we have been talking about the (more limited) technological coordination issue in connection with multiple different instances of Org Roam (https://github.com/org-roam/org-roam + https://org-roam.discourse.group/)… doing it across different platforms wouldn’t be so different.

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#22

All of these technologies and approaches seem to me to be solutions. What specific problem is being solved? And whose problem is it? Maybe this is the meta-level discussion??

I agree that diagrams like the one from @saiiam you link to are great for humans as both an outline of a set of ideas, and a record of an activity. Transferring this diagram to a software-based representation is a lot of work. Why would we want to do that?

#23

Well, I can do some work to turn the diagram into a “mind map” of sorts, then we’ll see how it works at a 1-person level… but in brief if we were going to collaborate on a data collection “What we know to be true” (or something approximating that)… I think we’d also want some shared representations. Now, it could be that we each have different places where we keep notes (e.g., @lovolution uses mind mapping software, I might use Org Roam, someone else might use strictly paper-based notes, etc.) and that could be fine, with the shared representations just being forum posts and other communication/coordination messages. That’s the current state of the art, so clearly it’s “OK”.

The question of what else we could be empowered to do if we had shared representations that had some lightweight semantics… I think we only have to look at Wikipedia to know that “there’s a there there.” We’ve talked a lot, collectively, about “Where does OGM want to go?” — but maybe less about “How are we going to get there?”

Tools are only one part of this “how”; processes are also important! Perhaps we’re still at the level of “individual examples” rather than collective practices?

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#24

I was thinking that turning that diagram into a mind-map is also not too much work.
Hmmm … maybe we should try to encode it into a mind-map exchange format such as OPML? I am a mind-map fan, so I like that idea. If we had an OPML representation, what can we import that into? Is there a better exchange format; MindNode exports to Markdown.)

I think we are in the many-different workrooms here in OGM. But I am open to trying some experiments. (I know quests are encouraged here, but experiments might be useful activities - especially if the outcome is documented, even if it is a train-wreck.)

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